IGDA executive director Jen MacLean appeared on MSNBC after President Trump’s meeting on video games and gun violence, SegmentNext reports.

“There are two things to consider here,” said MacLean. “First, we play exactly the same games that the rest of the world plays. There’s no science to support a causal relationship between video games and gun violence but there is the common sense element.

“If video games caused gun violence,” she continued, “why aren’t they causing gun violence in the rest of the world? The thing that sets the United States apart is our access to firearms not the games we play or the media we consume.”

The IGDA is the world’s largest organization serving people who make video games, now in its 24th year.